Chris Pawley Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Hello As we tend to do two different things in our updates, I thought it was worth discussing. Additionally, some controllers might be interested/have an opinion. I wanted to breifly discuss what we do when SIDs and STARs are redesignated in AIRAC updates. Option 1: Archive the old procedure (typically with a #) and add a complete new procedure. BLAHH1G updated -> #BLAHH1G Create BLAHH2G ANTHR2H withdrawn -> #ANTHR2H Pro: All old procedures correctly displayed in case of old NavData Con: Cumbersome sectorfile containing lots of out dated procedures Longer loadtimes in boot up May be difficult to reclear someone who filed the wrong procedure Lack of distinction between old and withdrawn procedures Option 2: Archive old procedures where there is no longer a procedure with that name. Renumber/resequence updated procedures. BLAHH1G updated -> BLAHH2G ANTHR2H withdrawn -> #ANTHR2H Pro: Smaller file, less loading time Con: Aircraft with the old procedures may fly in an unexpected manner when cleared on a new procedure. I personally prefer and thought we were using option 2, but willing to discuss and find out if there is merit in following option 1. Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Grauers Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Number 2 I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor Faulder Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 2 makes much more sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Lockwood Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I think 2 is more logical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Moy Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I would go with Solution 2 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Ashley Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Solution 2 is a lot better in my opinion - however for the Sector File I normally do solution 1 because that's what Harry always liked me to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rhodes Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Method two seems better to me, although I wonder if there could be merit in following method one where there are particularly noticeable differences in procedures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Sugden Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 The convention I always used (which Jamie had previously been using) was similar to option 2 in that completely renamed/removed procedures were 'hashed'. In addition, for STAR changes where: the number designation changed; the letter designation (at the end) remained the same; the 'name' (i.e. the TIMBA in TIMBA3F) remained the same; BUT the initial fix changed... ...we would also 'hash' the old version. Example 1 When the TIMBA2F was redesignated TIMBA3F at Gatwick, the STAR was changed from commencing at LYD to KONAN, so it was important to keep both versions (in case someone's route ended at LYD, and they didn't have the new STAR). Example 2 If a fix is added to the STAR, causing its (numerical) designator to change, but the start fix has not changed, then there should only be a need to keep the newer version (since auto-selection by EuroScope will not be affected). --- The additional question is when to remove these 'hashed' versions. The TIMBA2F > TIMBA3F change at Gatwick occurred last year for LAMP1a, so when is appropriate to remove the 2F entries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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