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Scott Eastwood

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Scott Eastwood

Hi, 

 

I am trying to get myself back into controlling and last night I connected to EGNT tower, thinking it would be a “quieter” place to start. I managed to connect Euroscope ok but when I connected to AFV, the frequency was already in use by a LON controller.  I understand the reasons why he was using it, it appears transceiver coverage in the north is not that great. 
 

Now this guy was pretty busy and I didn’t want to interrupt him or ask him to relinquish a frequency he was using and cause more issues,  what would have been the best course of action? Never the less it gave me time to do some more studying and listen to the RT. 
 

Thanks for any help or advice, 

regards

Scott

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Oliver Rhodes

It sounds like the LON controller may have had your frequency 'cross-coupled', which basically means that pilots at Newcastle could tune the TWR frequency and be connected to LON, who's covering Newcastle 'top-down' in the absence of local ATC. It's fairly commonly used when controllers disconnect underneath APP or CTR units to save everyone on the ground having to call-up.

In this situation I'd just message the controller above you as you would normally, letting them know that you're online; they'll relinquish your frequency back to you when they can, and (particularly if busy) will be grateful to have someone covering a position they'd otherwise have to cover themselves!

As an aside: LON sectors can get very busy, but controllers should never be so busy that they absolutely can't speak to adjacent controllers (yes, even aerodrome controllers) - don't be afraid to 'prod' them if you've tried to coordinate and not had a response within a couple of minutes; they've probably forgotten you'd called!

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Steve Riley
44 minutes ago, Scott Eastwood said:

Hi, 

 

I am trying to get myself back into controlling and last night I connected to EGNT tower, thinking it would be a “quieter” place to start. I managed to connect Euroscope ok but when I connected to AFV, the frequency was already in use by a LON controller.  I understand the reasons why he was using it, it appears transceiver coverage in the north is not that great. 
 

Now this guy was pretty busy and I didn’t want to interrupt him or ask him to relinquish a frequency he was using and cause more issues,  what would have been the best course of action? Never the less it gave me time to do some more studying and listen to the RT. 
 

Thanks for any help or advice, 

regards

Scott

Hi Scott and welcome back.

Same thing happened to me this morning on BB TWR, I popped into TS and Pm the LON controller co-ordination took place he then relinquished the frequency. 

Hope this helps a little 

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Scott Eastwood

@Oliver Rhodes @Steve Riley

Thank you for your replies, I’ll be sure to “stick my neck out” a bit more next time. So many new things to get used to I was terrified I’d logged on to whilst someone else was controlling the position. 

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