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Paul McHutchison

Hello!

It's been a very long time since I've been active on the controlling side (I'm pretty sure I was still a kid when I was most active, and I'm 26 now!) and I've been thinking recently that I'd like to get back into the swing of things. I had validations for Jersey Control and Heathrow Tower back in 2010, and though I'm sure the Heathrow one is useless these days, the Channel Islands are fairly straightforward and probably a good way for me to get back into it. I've just got a couple of questions which I searched for but had no luck:

1) Am I allowed to just jump straight back in on Jersey or do I have to be revalidated?

2) Is there an idiot's guide to setting up EuroScope from scratch anywhere? I resisted switching to it back in the day, and somebody set up my Heathrow profile for me so I'm really not sure of what I'm doing.

3) (this is where I really show how hopelessly out of the loop I am) While I figure out how to get myself up and running on ES, am I allowed to use VRC as a stop gap? I would worry that its lack of tag features would maybe cause issues for coordination with LON_CTR.

 

Thanks in advance for your help! I'm looking forward to getting some ATC time in, I've been flying again for the last 18 months or so and it's great to see such a high standard of ATC in the UK.

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Glyn Harding

Paul,

 

Long time no see or hear. It will be good to get you into the chair again, just like old times...... Hope you're keeping well mate?

 

Glyn

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Darren Hill

Hi Paul,

Great to see you come back! The Euroscope website (www.euroscope.hu) is very well documented now, compared to what it was even 2 years ago. Since you are current and hold an S3 rating, you should be able to control at any APP position in the UK, bar the ones that need a validation (EGLL etc.). Might need to do a refresher course for Heathrow ;), such as working through the Moodle.

Kind regards,

Darren

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Paul McHutchison

I think I've done it, even if I came close to a Basil Fawlty episode with a branch! Jersey Control online for the next 90 minutes of so, hopefully I'm not too rusty!

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