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Robert Terrace

Its something that (using my professional experience) I can agree with. As someone who has done training for staff around radio networks, it is easy to say that someone who has 300 hours just sat there doing nothing, is more qualified than that person who has 24 hours of heavy work with everything going off. I suppose, as you say, this is something that the Mentors and training staff can have a large amount of input into.

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Lenny Colton
On 15/09/2019 at 11:32, Nick Marinov said:

this could be resolved with the mentors looking more into the knowledge of the student and making sure they know what to do on the live network before forwarding them for their S1

^^^ This ^^^

On 15/09/2019 at 11:32, Nick Marinov said:

Note: speaking from a personal point of view, this is not to be taken as something any of my staff roles have said.

-_- Oh dear, what would we do if a staff member had an opinion?

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Nick Marinov
53 minutes ago, Lenny Colton said:

-_- Oh dear, what would we do if a staff member had an opinion?

My personal view is not the view of the Training Department or of the VATSIM Europe Region, as some people in the past have seemed to think. 🙂 I am simply speaking as a member who is controlling somewhat regularly and has some mentoring experience under his belt. 🙂 

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