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Adam Bass

Am I right in thinking that taxiway Lima at EGCC is clockwise only and JE/JF are anti-clockwise?

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Adam

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Johan Grauers

Nope, no such thing. We just do whatever suits us at the time. 

All of those have size restrictions though, some I think we replicated on vatsim (L not being code F or 777 for example) and some we didn't (like JE/JF having some restrictions depending on what is on the other side of the cul-de-sac). 

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Fraser Cooper
39 minutes ago, Johan Grauers said:

Nope, no such thing. We just do whatever suits us at the time. 

All of those have size restrictions though, some I think we replicated on vatsim (L not being code F or 777 for example) and some we didn't (like JE/JF having some restrictions depending on what is on the other side of the cul-de-sac). 

It did worry me when we had the VIR 744 taxi behind us on L. Didn't think it could make L...

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Adam Bass
1 hour ago, Johan Grauers said:

Nope, no such thing. We just do whatever suits us at the time. 

All of those have size restrictions though, some I think we replicated on vatsim (L not being code F or 777 for example) and some we didn't (like JE/JF having some restrictions depending on what is on the other side of the cul-de-sac). 

Ah great, thanks.

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Johan Grauers
1 hour ago, Fraser Cooper said:

It did worry me when we had the VIR 744 taxi behind us on L. Didn't think it could make L...

744 is not a problem on L, I've done that a few times. 748 however is too large. 

The 777 fits in itself, the issue is related to jet blast. So you can tow one down there but you can't taxi it under own power. 

You can also fit an A343 (again, I've tried) but not an A346 (I've taken the word of the manual for that one!). 

 

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Richard Keen

EGCC .. an airport i would love to try but the taxi routes look a little too confusing , maybe after a few trys i might get the hang of it 🙂

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Adam Walker
12 minutes ago, Richard Keen said:

EGCC .. an airport i would love to try but the taxi routes look a little too confusing , maybe after a few trys i might get the hang of it 🙂

I wouldn't worry, after MAG have finished there wont be many taxiways still able to be used. 

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Johan Grauers
1 hour ago, Richard Keen said:

EGCC .. an airport i would love to try but the taxi routes look a little too confusing , maybe after a few trys i might get the hang of it 🙂

 

When you do let me know, I still find new things to do on GMC and I've done it for a few years now. 😜

 

1 hour ago, Adam Walker said:

I wouldn't worry, after MAG have finished there wont be many taxiways still able to be used. 

But the ones left will all be named in a very logical fashion from left to right, always something!

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Adam Walker
12 hours ago, Johan Grauers said:

But the ones left will all be named in a very logical fashion from left to right, always something!

Yup, "Taxi via Car Park 1, Car Park 2 to hold Car Park 3 short of 23R"

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Corey Shird

If someone is told to pushback from terminal 2 to face south and they face north, are we allowed to taxi them via NA then N or do they have to do a U turn and go via D?

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Connor Faulder
6 hours ago, Corey Shird said:

If someone is told to pushback from terminal 2 to face south and they face north, are we allowed to taxi them via NA then N or do they have to do a U turn and go via D?

Taxiway flow directions are just an indication of how a situation can be best managed. When it's really busy at Manchester, it might be preferable to taxi clockwise round N and D to prevent bottlenecks, however there are no hard rules.

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Johan Grauers
On 19/06/2018 at 11:31, Corey Shird said:

If someone is told to pushback from terminal 2 to face south and they face north, are we allowed to taxi them via NA then N or do they have to do a U turn and go via D?

You would struggle to do a 180 on D. It is doable if you have empty stands but probably only to a point. I've seen a 737 do it once on N, never anything big though. 


This said, as Connor said, nothing stops you from routing via NA. We have one or two standard pushes which end up facing N so they often go that way, it all depends on what is going on but it's not that uncommon to taxi D, NA, N1 back to D again. Just as you can go D5-L2 onto L or via G4 and then left G. 

 

In fact some of the most interesting sessions I've had have included various creative taxi routes, sometimes when you try to get as many aircraft onto the taxiways as possible the best way is to do things that might not make sense in isolation. Now if the average vatsim pilot would be up to the challenge of creative taxi routes is a different question... 

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